GRG55 and Pilawt like this. Joined: Sep 19, Messages: 8, Display name: Pilawt. Pilawt , May 5, GRG55 and David like this. The first airplane I purchased was a Cherokee It had a lb useful load, 50 gal fuel, lb gross iirc. I am 6'4", about lbs at the time.
Also made two long round trips to Oshkosh in it; two adults, lots of camping gear and full fuel on every takeoff. Never had 4 in the plane because the LF seatback was right up against the rear seat, to give me the needed legroom, so that rendered the left side of the rear seat as baggage use only. GRG55 , May 5, Key question - how often would you really have 4 adults in it? If 1 or 2 times a year, then just rent a or such for the need.
WDD , May 5, A Cherokee is a nice simple two-person ride and a could be a nice first plane Do your homework, make sure it checks out aka an annual from someone you trust as a "pre-buy" , then go fly. If this is your first plane, make sure you know what you are getting into Last edited: May 5, Of course, whether it is intelligent to fly a HP plane so heavy is another thing, even if you are legal.
Even better, a Grumman Tiger. NA , May 5, Shane C likes this. What is it that draws you in? If it was me, I would want to know how often it has been flying, and when the engine overhaul was done. How many more hours and years do you expect to be able to run that engine? Flightaware only shows one flight this year I would be looking at the panel, trying to guestimate what it will need to make me happy.
There are a lot of nice aircraft on the market Not trying to talk you out of it as much as trying to talk you through the decision process. I own a Cherokee C and it just barely does the job. A maybe if the back seaters weigh less than Shane C and David like this.
My opinion is not to push the limits of the plane, as they assume calm conditions with no downdrafts and loss of engine power due to age. You will be fine most of the time. I recommend you consider renting a true 4 seater for the few times you need it.
MountainDude , May 5, AA5Bman , May 5, My has a gross wt of Useful load is My 65 Lab fills up the back seat.
BarryCooper , May 5, The FBO I learned to fly at was a very active Piper dealer and always had older PAs of various types in rental while they were listed for sale. So I got to fly a lot of different PAs. The PA and are two seat aircraft. Some just happen to have rear seats. Think if it like you would a child seat in the back of a C or C, except ok for 2 kids - small ones.
The PA B and C have pound gross weights and from the factory had around pound empty weights so pounds useful load at best - they all get fatter with age , but small back seats. The PA Warrior had a more efficient semi tapered wing and a longer cabin that made it an actual 4 seat aircraft. Gross weight was with empty weights around pounds for a useful load in the pound range. With pounds of fuel with full tanks, it had about pound left for people. If I had four adults on board and no baggage, or three and a lot of baggage, I just filled it to the tabs 36 gallons IIRC and kept another pounds or so available for people and baggage.
However, even with the same loads on board and similar useful loads, I always felt the Warrior flew better than a Cherokee even with 10 less horsepower.
The PA just added 10 more horsepower with the same weights and useful load, so it was a win-win, but not so much that I'd turn down a good for a less good similarly priced Both are super easy to fly and with a wing leveler long flights are very low workload.
The PA B and C had a pound gross weight and an empty weight only about 20 pounds heavier than the , so around pounds useful load - but still the small back seats. The PA D E and F gained weight with empty weights around pounds so the useful loads went down to around pounds, and still the small back seat. The PA Challenger and Archer had pound gross weights and pound empty weights for a useful load around pounds.
The PA Archer II had the semi- tapered wing and an gross weight increase to pounds and an empty weights around , with a useful load of around pounds. That's four pound adults, with only 10 pounds of baggage each, with full fuel, cruising at kts. Or fill it to the tabs and everyone gets 35 pounds of baggage.
All three had a pound gross weight and useful loads in the pound range. If I were in the market for a do everything aircraft that was still reasonably cheap to maintain, I'd seriously consider a Dakota.
It'll haul four pound adults, each with 40 pounds of baggage and full fuel and do it with a cruise speed of around kts. If I wanted something a little less expensive to fly and maintain, but still needed to carry four adults on a regular basis, I'd get and Archer. I don't have much Comanche time, but they impressed me as very nice, efficient aircraft to fly. A Comanche will have a pound gross weight, about a pounds of useful load and cruise at about kts.
The Comanche has a pound gross weight and an pound useful load and cruises at about kts. The Comanche has a pound gross weight. The B GW increases to and the C increases to Useful loads increase from around to to pounds. The Comanche will haul about pounds less than an Archer, but haul it 25 kts faster, in exchange for the increased maintenance and insurance costs of the CS prop and retracts.
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